Homeopathy for Every Home: From Emotional First Aid to Deep Healing with Abby
Homeopathy isn’t just for coughs and colds — it’s a powerful, whole-person approach to healing that supports both body and emotions.
In this episode, Elizabeth sits down with Abby, Lead Practitioner at Hey Hey Mae, to unpack how homeopathy works, when to use it, and how emotional remedies can help restore balance at every age.
They explore the difference between acute care (for grief, shock or nightmares) and chronic support (for burnout, anxiety, or long-standing emotional patterns). You’ll also learn how remedies like Ignatia, Sepia, Pulsatilla, and Nat Mur can support everything from emotional overwhelm to childhood sensitivities when they look at a wider chronic symptom picture.
Whether you’re curious about starting homeopathic care or deepening your understanding, this episode will show you why this gentle, intelligent system belongs in every home - especially as an emotional support - and how to begin working with a practitioner to find your "like cures like".
Mentioned in this episode:
- Homeopathy for emotions and stress
- Key remedies for parents, children, and caregivers
- How to know when chronic support is needed
- Working with a practitioner for individualized care
Learn more or book a consult:
Resources Mentioned:
Nature's Materia Medica by Robin Murphy
Homeopathy at Home: Everyday Treatments for Common Complaints
Please note that transcripts may contain minor errors or inaccuracies. We hope you enjoy reading them and find them helpful.
Elizabeth Mae (0:0.714)
Welcome back to Hey, you're going to be OK. Today, we're talking about one of my favorite tools for emotional and physical healing homeopathy. ⁓ use homeopathy in and through all of our care and even do short consults, whether it's helping your kids bounce back from a cold or supporting deeper long term balance, emotional issues, homeopathy really meets the body exactly where it is and pushes it towards a more healthy state. Today, I'm going talk with our lead practitioner, Abby Hall.
She is a homeopathic student. She's one of our awesome practitioners who works with kids, families, adults. ⁓ And she is really kind of the lead on moving us towards more homeopathy ⁓ and understanding it greater and deeper and just using it better. So thanks for joining me today, Abby, to kind of explore emotions in homeopathy.
Abby (0:50.314)
Great, thanks for having me. This is one of my favorite topics to talk about for sure. I've just seen ⁓ such amazing things with it, acutely and chronically.
Elizabeth Mae (0:59.852)
Yeah, I'm really excited because every week when we have our team meeting, we get to hear all kinds of wild and wonderful things that happen with homeopathy and benefit from your, ⁓ all of your education and things that you're seeing both in practice and then exploring and learning. But for our listeners who are new to this and don't get to be in our team meetings or haven't worked with us, what is homeopathy in your words?
Abby (1:22.304)
So homeopathy is an energetic system of medicine ⁓ that stimulates the body's own healing response. And I think that's why I love it so much ⁓ because really we're working on pushing that body to do the healing. ⁓ We're not giving it anything to hold it up. We really want to stimulate the body to get movement in that healing direction. ⁓
you know, when we talk about it, really is working from frequency. It's made from all different types of materials. We can see it made from plants and minerals. ⁓ You know, it comes from even some of the animal kingdom, ⁓ you know, and it ⁓ has a process where they are pulling out. We're not having any of those actual ingredients in it. It's using the frequency ⁓ of those ingredients ⁓ to make, ⁓ you know, that body be stimulated in a certain way. ⁓
One of the examples that we often use is coffee or coffea with homeopathy. So we'll see, ⁓ you know, when you think about drinking a cup of coffee or several cups of coffee, you get overstimulated, you might not be able to sleep, all of those things can happen. You can use coffea ⁓ in a homeopathic potency and that will work on that.
Elizabeth Mae (2:20.888)
Mm-hmm.
Abby (2:40.496)
stimulation in that frequency to kind of calm things down, ⁓ you know, and work with it, works on that, ⁓ you know, like cures like.
Elizabeth Mae (2:52.408)
Yeah, so the like cures like piece and as we move more into emotions is really like, ⁓ I think even more important to think about because you're really trying to address whatever symptom load you have going on with a remedy that is for that same symptom load. So we tend to think about, ⁓ I don't know, we're trained with like our Western mindset of like medicines, supplements, herbs, even they're all targeting this specific thing or they're being antibiotic or they're being a nutrient that we're just taking.
But homeopathy is really different from that because you're not giving the body like a crude substance. We're not putting in, you know, a teaspoon of table salt when we use NatMUR. We're putting in what is the potentization. So really, really teeny tiny in some of the more ⁓ lower numbered potencies. There can actually be physical substance. But when you get higher, which are the numbers that we're using or you can grab at the grocery store, I was going to try and grab a little vial of them. ⁓ Those.
are where you're having more of that frequency. And it's, they can be liquid, they can be pillioles. So like the little vials that are full of little sugar pellets and the medicines actually like on the outside of those, whereas with our liquids, ⁓ it's in the liquid dropper. But I think it's so good too, because it's so easy to take. Like we see so many kiddos and we have great compliance because it's no big deal to take a couple drops or to have a little sugar pilliol with some medicine on the outside.
⁓ and I think for those reasons, ⁓ I will shout it from the rooftops one because it absolutely saved my life when I was really sick with Lyme, but also because it's the ease of use and then it doesn't interfere with other, there's no known side effects. There's no contraindications. ⁓ And I didn't put this in the beginning, but Abby, you came to this world, this world being functional nutrition, all of it from pharmacy. So you're a pharmacist and worked in, you know,
with all kinds of medications and pharmaceuticals. And we love that because you help us be smarter ⁓ on those sort of things. But this is really different. But can you give us like a teeny history maybe on like where homeopathy ⁓ has shown up because it is making a resurgence, I feel like. And also there's more to the story. It's not just like a totally new thing.
Abby (5:7.977)
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, and honestly, ⁓ I had no training on homeopathy in the pharmacy world other than, you know, yes, sometimes it would, you know, if you worked in retail, it might be on shelves. And I really didn't, I work more clinical, so that really isn't my background. So I didn't really learn a lot about homeopathy until I've really moved into this more functional space. And really we started with, you know, ⁓ using it, you know, reusing the no-so, it's really, you know, addressing pathogen burden specifically.
you know, when that would show up. And so that's really where I started and it's just kind of grown from there. ⁓ I started using ⁓ homeopathy with my family in acute situations, ⁓ you know, just for coughs, colds, know, fevers, those kinds of things. ⁓ And it just worked amazing. You know, we have not used antibiotics in years in my family because we've been able to ⁓ use these as supports and not have to go that route. I'm not going to say I'm opposed. You know, there is a time
you know, when an antibiotic is necessary and I am ⁓ okay with that and comfortable with that ⁓ and not against it. ⁓ But there are ⁓ so many options and homeopathy is such a powerful option to help avoid those things ⁓ and really, you know, encourage once again that body to do the healing. And to me, every time the body actually does that, it just makes it, you know, more intelligent in that way. ⁓
It does, I feel like we need to even use things less and less as far as acute go in our house because you know, our bodies are just trained to ⁓ and more resilient. I think that's probably the best word. They just become more resilient to those things. ⁓ You know, our immune system has become stronger. ⁓ yeah.
Elizabeth Mae (6:54.080)
I agree too, after COVID, you know, we all tend to think of sickness a little bit different and like it's not something that our bodies can do or can handle. And we're so designed to self resolve. Like we don't really do a whole lot when we get sick. Like, yeah, sometimes we rest ⁓ and we give the body what it needs, but really the body does all of that healing and shifting on its own. And homeopathy is really beautiful because we're not throwing additives or
things with side effects or stuff with extra burden. It's a really, really gentle system and it honors that our bodies were made to heal. ⁓ we really, between our medicine system and then just the way that we've ⁓ been raised in this culture and then the COVID season, we tend to forget that. ⁓ And I think that's one of the really coolest parts is like when you first ⁓ started working with our team, you were like, wanna...
Like I want to work in a place where we see miracles regularly. And I remember being like, OK, that's great. ⁓ But to be gosh darn honest, like we do get to see really cool miracles all the time because the body, when provided with what it needs, it heads the right direction and it doesn't always take a ton. So ⁓ how does homeopathy really work for emotional physical symptoms? It can work on both. Like what's going on there? Maybe that it's hitting both parts because we're used to like medicines. I take ibuprofen, my headache goes away.
doesn't, I don't really think of that as affecting maybe my feelings, but ⁓ how's homeopathy doing that?
Abby (8:22.396)
Yes, and so it's really working on the totality of a person. Ultimately, that's the goal. We want to find something. So when we are looking, you know, specifically at acute, we're trying to find something that matches that frequency the best that it can, kind of like the coffee ⁓ description, you know. And so ⁓ all of these have been through different testings to see, you know, ⁓ what symptoms match, you know, potentially what somebody has going on.
Ultimately, we're looking at the totality. So it is gonna be the physical symptoms. ⁓ It's going to be the emotional symptoms. It's gonna be ⁓ the way they respond. Someone who has anger, that anger can show up very differently for each person. And so ⁓ we have to look at how those things ⁓ pop up. Acutely,
you know, there are some that we can say, ⁓ you know, like Ignatia is a great one ⁓ for an acute grief situation. And so some of them, you know, in an acute situation, we can kind of go and look and still try to match, but we can say, yes, Ignatia is very well known for ⁓ helping with grief. Now, when somebody has suppressed that grief, and I know we're going to dive into these a little bit more, but when someone has suppressed that grief,
over a period of time, then they might need a different remedy. And that's where we honestly would wanna do a consult because ⁓ there is a lot that goes into it because we are looking truly at typically an entire timeline that somebody has ⁓ on their health, ⁓ mental health, all of those pieces. So we wanna look truly at the totality of the person. And once again, that's why I love homeopathy because it isn't.
parts and pieces supporting here and there, it really is taking the entire person because our life experiences and the things that we've been through, those influence our physical health, our mental health, our spiritual health, all of those things.
Elizabeth Mae (10:22.030)
Which is also why I love this series because we're taught that the body's like siloed and we're taught that just because they're specialists on very various different parts of our body, right? Like if I have something wrong with my heart, my PCP will send me to my cardiologist and I have something going on with my skin. I go to my dermatologist, but if I have something wrong with my lungs, I'm going to a pulmonologist. But also my emotions can inform my physical body and so physical symptoms can absolutely be a manifestation of that emotional plane.
And what I hear you kind of saying is that homeopathy ⁓ works on all planes at one time and not just one single physical symptom only and leaves the rest out, which is why it's really wonderful ⁓ and why we see so much much progress with people ⁓ when we bring homeopathy in. One thing you were saying, we keep referring to our acute situations, acute and then more chronic, which we haven't gotten to. But can you kind of explain what acute care?
and then maybe chronic what that means in homeopathy.
Abby (11:20.159)
⁓ Yeah, and so acute is gonna be what you think of as your normal coughs, colds. When we think about even the mental emotional piece, like there was just a loss of a loved one. So we have that grief going on. ⁓ can see, ⁓ anxiety might be, ⁓ maybe you have like white coat syndrome and every time you go to the doctor, you're a little bit nervous, or. ⁓
⁓ you know, before you have to speak publicly or take a really challenging test, you know, something like that could be, you know, more acute. But ⁓ when those things continue to be a problem, when, you know, the anxiety isn't just going to the doctor, but it's really leaving the house or being in public or, you know, all of those things that are actually preventing us from living a full life, that's where we start to say, okay, what is going on here? And
we are gonna go in once again, go through that timeline, ⁓ dive deep to see like, where did things kinda become unbalanced? ⁓ And that can be, I know you've talked about triggering events lot, typically we're kind of looking for something like that. Was it an illness? Was it, because an illness can affect your mood. see that certainly affect mood and emotions. It could have been a trauma that affects those things. ⁓
Really anything that your body didn't handle or process well could potentially be an issue and cause a ⁓ mental emotional ⁓ kind of response or a physical response. Often we'll see both of those things. But once it becomes more chronic or ⁓ we were talking earlier about bronchitis, you get bronchitis once.
you kind of you get through that and you don't get it for several years then you know what maybe you're okay but if every year like clockwork you're getting bronchitis or you're getting you know way more illnesses than is typical in a year ⁓ now we want to really start looking like what is going on.
Elizabeth Mae (13:19.246)
Yeah, so that like a cute one time thing would be something where, hey, you can pop in and learn remedies and use them. We look at the totality of the sicknesses symptoms, and then we try to choose the remedy that is most alike them. But when it's more of that recurrent issue, then that's where we need to move into more of a care and advisory setting with a homeopath who can give us more specifics and really take the whole case because it is that whole multi-system, all the planes of a person.
that informs the best like for like ⁓ pairing that allows homeopathy to be successful. So what are some examples maybe emotionally of like situations where parents could confidently use homeopathy at home? Just a little short applications.
Abby (14:4.157)
Yep. Yep. mean, like I said, ⁓ I mean, really, anything, I mean, even if it's something chronic, I wouldn't necessarily be afraid to try something even acutely. Like, let's try it. Let's see. You know, ⁓ like I said, you know, it's very safe. There's not interactions with anything else that you're taking, supplement or medication as far as that goes. ⁓ Jelcemium, like I was talking about, ⁓ being that anticipatory anxiety, you know, maybe the child has a hard time, you know,
you know, going to the doctor, that kind of thing. ⁓ You could try, you know, Jelsimium. Ignatius is great for, like I said, the grief. ⁓ Aconite can be maybe if there was like a shock or a fear. ⁓ Maybe they had a bad nightmare and that bad nightmare now they're ⁓ not going to sleep well. You know, sometimes we can do aconite to kind of move through that fear ⁓ as far as that goes. But really,
any, you know, even tantrums ⁓ we can see, you that'd be a good time. can try, it's not gonna really hurt to try. I guess that's where I would say you can try these things, ⁓ but definitely we encourage, ⁓ you know, ⁓ greater support if it's something that's not shifting, not moving, and is more chronic or very destructive, something that, you know, you might want extra support if it's really destructive behavior too.
Elizabeth Mae (15:23.438)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Mae (15:30.112)
Mm-hmm, yeah. So some of the remedies you mentioned are pretty common and I think, know, Ignatia or aconite, feel like those are heard of or arnica is the most heard of, think, the most famous ⁓ homeopathic remedy. But arsenicom is one I think that we use a lot with kids and with adults ⁓ because of its connection to like fear around health. Can you tell us more about that?
Abby (15:41.385)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Mae (15:55.116)
And like when we would maybe use that for like an acute situation with an adult or a child and kind of that relationship to health worries.
Abby (16:1.151)
⁓ Yeah, it is definitely very common one that we would ⁓ use in ⁓ gastrointestinal type situations. So sometimes that can even be a clue. We might see more than, know, we're typically not just seeing one symptom. So when that anxiety ⁓ plus some gastrointestinal things might pop up, that would be a great time to use it. But you can use it also with just, you know, that anxiety piece in a child.
they're having some of that anxiety. ⁓ We can see that in adults too, like when there is that severe, it does seem to have an affinity for that fear ⁓ around health conditions. Maybe we hear our child might have something or we have a symptom and we Google it and then we go down this rabbit trail. ⁓ We see that really quite often, because a lot of times we are dealing with very chronic situations. So people have gone ⁓ down those rabbit trails.
And it just adds to the anxiety of what they have going on. So that, our Seneca would be a great one. ⁓ And, you know, all of these will talk like acute, but really it's also a great chronic remedy too. And so ⁓ once again, it's just kind of, you know, you could certainly try it that way, but sometimes we have to shift things in when we do a chronic remedy, the potency might shift. And that's where, you know, really having that practitioner support around it. ⁓
you know, can be really helpful.
Elizabeth Mae (17:27.950)
Mm-hmm. I think about too, there's a lot of remedies that I feel like we see movement on with stuff that's hard, right? So we see a lot of pans, pandas, children, and adults. So a lot of times there's a lot of anxiety, whether that's anxiety or other words. There can also be a lot of aggression or anger or ragey kind of stuff. I don't just think a lot of like acting out as driven by kind of anger. So staph asagri is when I feel like that we lean on a lot and I think about parents maybe using that.
Abby (17:47.231)
⁓ Thank
Elizabeth Mae (17:57.782)
As a tool, can you tell us more about how that would show up or be useful in an acute situation?
Abby (18:3.507)
Yeah, so that one can be, you know, anger and resentment ⁓ can be a big, you know, big feelings that come along with potentially matching staff a seggrave. ⁓ Often somebody has felt like a violation. So ⁓ it is a very common one in even, you know, if there's a history of sexual abuse because there is a violation, often there might even be shame there. It doesn't always have to be connected to that, but we do see that pretty commonly. ⁓
⁓ linked and ⁓ see it work really well in those situations. But really ⁓ any type of violation we can even see in surgeries. And so that's where you even have to think about that. Was someone's ⁓ triggering event or their never well sense a surgery? So, you know, even though, you know, I think about C-sections, ⁓ you know, often we get put in a situation where, you know, ⁓ that's the only option. We have to go with the C-section. ⁓
Elizabeth Mae (18:54.990)
Hmm. ⁓
Abby (18:58.815)
And maybe even in our minds we're like, okay, this was the only option and we aren't even okay with it. Sometimes the body still sees that as a violation. Anytime there is cutting into the body, there can be a violation. And I think about, once again, back to the C-section.
You know, there's not many surgeries that they keep you awake for. And so it is very traumatizing, you know, the smells that you smell, the things that, you know, you know, that you're hearing, the noises, all of that going on. So, ⁓ you know, we can see that being a big part of that. ⁓ know, and that, ⁓ you know, sometimes it's, you know, the anger, the rage, kids are usually better about, you know, getting those things out. But a lot of times in adults, we will see it. It's more of a suppressed.
anger, rage, it might kind of blow up. So we mean, we might see it ⁓ road rage. So somebody who is like normally cool calm, they can kind of hold it all together. If you ask them, you know, about, ⁓ you know, well, what if somebody cuts you off in traffic and then they lose their mind, you know, sometimes that can be an indication that staff sagria might be a good option. If there's, there's other reasons that are, you know, putting me into that, you know, anger or resentment. ⁓
Elizabeth Mae (20:14.478)
And so that's like, I think a good example of where like the total picture and something that's more chronic, like when you work with a client and you're interviewing and asking questions and getting a history and you start to understand that maybe there's this suppressed anger portion, like staff as I agree, maybe could be a remedy that would really help with some of that release. And also when my little guy is trying to like suppress his anger because he was just humiliated in a situation, whatever that may be, whether it's
You and I would look at it and be like, well, when he's an adult and has more skills, he won't be humiliated. But right now he absolutely is. And we can use that more for that acute situation. So if someone's like, let's just like, let's bring it all the way down to super practicals. ⁓ Somebody has a loss or grief. I feel like that's the easiest one to do when that's occurring. How would you ⁓ practically use Ignatia?
Abby (21:5.594)
Yeah. ⁓ In an acute, are going to adjust dosing is going to be the main thing. So, ⁓ you know, I know you've talked about homo-chords and we can get into that probably at another time, but like the potency, you know, typically in an acute situation, it's going to be what they consider lower potencies, but the frequency is what's going to matter. ⁓ And so when something is kind of like full on, you know, you're really in it, you know, you're, you're, ⁓
shocked by the death or you're ⁓ grieving deeply, we might need to frequently dose. And that could be ⁓ three, four, five, six times a day, or sometimes we'll even water dose, but we'll just put the homeopathy in a water bottle and we'll just sip on that through the day to help get through those situations. So that's how we would go about ⁓ dosing it ⁓ in an acute situation.
And then as things seem to, you know, kind of lighten up, you can back down on that. You might find that, you know what, yes, I'm still kind of working through that. And obviously with grief, we are not expecting you to just be like, yes, I feel amazing. Like it is a process, but you know, it does just help support that, help you, you know, ⁓ not get in a stuck situation and kind of move through those feelings. You know, all of that processing is important. ⁓
for the body so we don't get into either a suppressive state. I've seen both. So, when you think about Ignatia with grief, you can see that suppressive state where you would think they would actually be showing more emotions and they're not. They're kind of blocking it off, protecting themselves. Or we can see almost ⁓ several years later where it seems like they're still in that very acute state. And so, ⁓ those are where we're looking if it moves to a chronic.
they would need different things to help move through that.
Elizabeth Mae (22:58.094)
⁓ We talk a lot about suppression and homeopathy and I think that's one of the most beautiful things about it. ⁓ Can you help us understand more maybe even the difference between like how homeopathy encourages the body to like process and work through things versus more of a conventional model or even some medications? I think about like steroids for example, are ⁓ more suppressing and then like just how is that all connected with the body and why is homeopathy maybe come out on top for addressing things in this way?
Abby (23:16.680)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Mae (23:26.624)
not encouraging that suppression. ⁓
Abby (23:28.976)
Yep. Yep. And that's what, you know, with homeopathy, it's another kind of amazing piece to it is because it is working with the body, trying to move those things through it. ⁓ You know, there can be, you know, a hierarchy of how the body heals. ⁓ And truly, it can look different for everyone. So we can see, you know, ⁓ the body will prioritize what is the most important. And sometimes those mental health pieces ⁓
⁓ can be that bigger ⁓ portion. ⁓ And they might, you know, maybe you've got some physical things going on and some mental health things going on. And if the body prioritizes the mental health piece of it, it's going to start to move those things potentially before, you know, a physical thing ⁓ can move. And like I said, it's going to be different for everyone as far as that goes. Sometimes we can see things move at the same time, but still, you know, we're going to see that priority of the body. ⁓ And so once...
you know, really it's working with the body to move it up and through. So sometimes we will see in a suppressed state, we'll see those emotions come up. If somebody has suppressed those things for a long period of time, they will all of a sudden say, ⁓ my goodness, like, why am I crying all the time? I never cried, you know? And those things aren't always easy ⁓ to work through, but they're necessary, you know, to move that emotion kind of up and out, you know, and let your body.
feel that. always tell people, know, dreams, sometimes they'll notice in dreams that they are starting to have more vivid dreams, or maybe there's ⁓ a situation that they went through that they might start dreaming about that. ⁓ And it's actually a really safe place for the body to kind of process ⁓ emotions as far as that goes. Yeah, ⁓ does that answer?
Elizabeth Mae (25:14.574)
And the dream stuff is always interesting when people pop into sessions and be like, I've been having dreams like this lately. And it's always like very gratifying because you don't have a lot of control over suppressing what's going on in your dreams. You can control your emotions to some degree during the day, ⁓ but that's definitely a sign of movement for us to kind of look at. ⁓ So wrapping up this little cute section, we talked in the first episode of this series about how emotional connection
Emotions are connected to the body and organs and I think a lot about homeopathy with acute really supporting during those triggering events whether that is something big like a death or that's just like a really stressful day or a really hard meeting that you have to go through or a Season where your kids are just like I think about sports seasons even it's like go go go go go and at some point mom gets fried and she needs a little support to get through that and I feel like homeopathy really does help the body to work through emotional things like that, so they don't necessarily
have quite the triggering event power on the body because the body is processing as opposed to suppressing. But ⁓ can you talk a little bit about, because it can sometimes feel overwhelming, I think, for people when they start using homeopathy to know what to choose. You can totally learn about all these individuals. And also, we have combo remedies that help to deal with certain things. I think of Calm Wheel. Can you differentiate maybe for us between ⁓ Ignatia and something like Calm Wheel? What is that and how are we using it?
Abby (26:14.352)
you ⁓
Abby (26:42.046)
⁓ Yeah, mean, if ⁓ your symptoms really match the remedy well, mean, sometimes that's just the best option, you know? But when you're unsure or there's a whole lot of emotions going on and we have maybe more levels of things going on, ⁓ you know, doing something like the Calm can be so supportive because it's gonna really be overall like nervous system support, even though it has that Ignatia in it.
Now, really it's just grief, so much grief. But to me, I feel like sometimes that individual one might just work a little bit better. ⁓ But to me, it's also like ⁓ use what you have. If you have calm there, then use the calm ⁓ and see how that works for you. yep. ⁓
Elizabeth Mae (27:24.696)
think too what's in calm is so helpful on a lot of different levels and when the nervous system is really dysregulated. And of course we work with people with like chronic and complex illness a lot. So there's layers to that. Like, yeah, there's a physiological thing going on maybe when you have an infection, but there's grief over the time that you've lost and your lack of ability or capacity. ⁓ And then there's nervousness and like this unsettled because your actual nervous system or nerves are affected by pathogen load and nutrient. Like there's so much ⁓ dynamic there that ⁓
a combo that takes ⁓ some of the guessing out or can help you really address multiple pieces can be really helpful. So I'd say that and, ⁓ you know, that and sleep wheel and history like those sort of things for just kind of these blanket situations are really they get the most price from clients because they're really useful. They're really practical for ⁓ using and not having to understand the whole system. ⁓ moving into the chronic side of things where people
well, homeopaths work in and do understand more of the complex things. I really want us to kind of walk through a few different remedies where we can show people how wonderful the work you're doing on more of the chronic picture is and that these remedies, they each kind of have their own picture that's more than just the acute support. It's a more complex sort of something. So maybe let's start with like an adult remedy and kind of walk through that. And if you want to even explain more about like the chronic piece, that would be great too. ⁓
Abby (28:52.830)
All right, so let's start with Nat Murr since we've kind of talked through like Ignatia and the grief. So like Ignatia is great for more of that acute ⁓ grief and then Nat Murr is where we're going to see more of that suppression. And so I'm actually going to, have this Nature's ⁓ Materia Medica here. And so I'm actually just going to like some of this under the mind, I'm just going to like read ⁓ directly from here because it really kind of gives you a good idea. ⁓
of what is going on. So like a NatMUR ⁓ patient would likely, most often it's not always, but there's either a ⁓ grief of some sort, a death of a loved one, whether it be a parent, a child, something along those lines, or it can also be a really disappointed ⁓ love situation as well. ⁓ And so they can, ⁓ but really what it has here, like they're often reserved or introverted. ⁓ There can be ⁓ feelings of depression.
Elizabeth Mae (29:39.532)
Bye.
Abby (29:49.535)
It can be acute or chronic grief. ⁓ They dwell on past unpleasant memories and they can often be grudge holders ⁓ and ⁓ just kind of ⁓ go back and continue to think about all of these ⁓ past ⁓ things that people have maybe done to them that have hurt them. ⁓
Consolation, so this is one where we will kind of, know, I often ask like, how do you feel? Like, do you want to be consoled when you're feeling, you know, your feels and all of that? And so consolation with this one, actually aggravates them. Someone who is a Natmer because they put this wall up, they often, you know, if somebody is like, come here, like, let me give you a hug. They might actually be like, no, you're crossing a line. Like not comfortable with that because they've done these things to protect themselves.
It'll say ailments from grief or disappointed love. Sometimes they can't cry in front of people that suppressed ability to cry. They will often be the ones, even though they've been through this grief, they like to listen to even.
⁓ music, ⁓ like sad music, like broken heart love songs ⁓ can often be something that they will continue to listen to. So it's almost like they continue to even ⁓ push that sadness on themselves. It just is very chronic. ⁓ Natmar comes from salt. So I will also say that we're kind of talking about some of these extremes, but they can also be ⁓ the wonderful people.
They can be the salt of the earth like people. They're very reliable. ⁓ They do have, ⁓ they do love their families and that kind of thing, but there can be just that wall. They are really careful ⁓ about those relationships. They ⁓ often love pets would be a situation. Sometimes they are like, well, ⁓ people hurt me, but pets don't. And so they can have really a deep love for. ⁓
Abby (31:55.145)
for animals and pets as far as that goes. ⁓ Yeah, once again, that sentimental music can be part of that. Let ⁓ me see what else I have. ⁓
Elizabeth Mae (32:6.080)
One of the other parts, Catherine Coulter's book talks a lot about ⁓ that kind of like original wounding or childhood disappointment. And she talks a lot about how it's a helpful remedy in divorce, whether that's for an adult with like you talked about, like the disappointed love, okay, for the adult going through maybe an unwanted divorce or even a wanted one, right? There's a disappointment there, but also being a useful remedy for a child who's experiencing that because that's kind of the season that they're in where there is a disappointment in ⁓
this lover, a people-based wounding, ⁓ and that there is kind of that ⁓ regular masquerading character portion where there's just a steadiness on the outside ⁓ or a seriousness. And she kind of, she talks about how they don't tend to be outright fun people. Their nature is more of a serious, ⁓ steady salt of the earth ⁓ kind of a thing.
Abby (32:59.216)
Yeah, and I think she puts in her book too that about 40 % of people, like it's a pretty high percentage of people that are Natmer, about 40%. But yeah, there's a big rejection piece or feels, you know, and really, you know, with a lot of emotions and feelings, it's that perception, ⁓ that perception of rejection. And so ⁓ often we'll see Natmer.
people had Natmer parents because they really had a hard time showing emotions. And so that kind of ⁓ can fall into that. ⁓ they really, know, ⁓ Natmer child really needs a lot of that, you know, ⁓ emotional support, you know, to really be in a nice balanced state. But yeah, they can be very stoic. They can come across very stoic ⁓ as well. So, yeah.
Elizabeth Mae (33:48.034)
One of the things that Catherine Coulter said is that, you know, an important Nat Mar trait is to be hurt by that which he loves best. And so that can cross over into like physical things where there's allergy to food that they really enjoy or the original kind of wounding that like I was hurt by this relationship or this thing that I loved made baseball and it didn't work out or, you know, like there's kind of that theme portion and then it manifests out into the bigger picture, which is where
Working with homeopath is really wonderful because even when we bring cases to our team meeting, we ⁓ can say, okay, here's what I think and this is what I'm hearing and seeing. And you always have ⁓ key questions for us to help us kind of tease apart, is this person more of an apmer ⁓ or are they more of another remedy that maybe looks similar because each one definitely has this wide picture. And so if someone is an apmer and we've identified that, then what can we expect from using apmer?
on this chronic picture on maybe the emotional plane? Like what's the use of knowing that someone is even this and then applying it?
Abby (34:51.870)
⁓ Yeah. And so what we could often see is ⁓ a release of those emotions. So where somebody really struggled to cry, they might find that they're weeping over things pretty frequently. And it isn't something, you know, it's something that's happening because it's something their body needs to do. And that's once again, another reason I love homeopathy. You know, ⁓ for some, it might just look that that pressure is off of them, that that
Elizabeth Mae (35:6.670)
Mm.
Elizabeth Mae (35:12.942)
release.
Abby (35:20.530)
that grief has started to lift and they just really are feeling better. I mean, we certainly see that too, ⁓ but sometimes the body needs to go through those emotions. So if they were so suppressed, it wouldn't be unlikely to see some of these emotions break through. And I would just encourage people to have a good safe way, you know, to process those things. And, you know, even ⁓ if you got to cry in your pillow or scream in your pillow or do some somatic things to help process that, that's good. ⁓
But what we also see a lot of times when we're starting to like have those emotions come up homeopathically ⁓ is that ⁓ it's almost like you're watching it from afar. ⁓ It's not as intense as it was when you went through it the first time. So even though you do have those emotions, they're not quite as intense and you kind of, you know, can allow your body to move through it. And then the educating piece is really important too, like.
letting people know that this is something that they may go through. And then when they're going through it, they can see it as actually a good positive thing, ⁓ even though they may be weeping and crying a lot. ⁓ You know, they can see it like, yes, this is moving things, I am starting to process. So a lot of it's just that education around it too.
Elizabeth Mae (36:35.768)
Yeah, allowing that release. then like ⁓ the other side of that after going through that processing release is like for a number, maybe some of that like ho-hum, trials and tribulations are gonna come negative sort of ⁓ vibe. There's a little bit more hope and like a positive kind of bit and more of a release of and ⁓ as new emotions come and new situations come along, ⁓ a better, more agile processing, would you say maybe then just like straight?
Abby (36:49.630)
Thank
Elizabeth Mae (37:3.874)
being prone to more suppression, like coming to a place where processing emotions is more readily available to their body maybe more.
Abby (37:13.500)
Yep, and that would be the goal, to make a more resilient person, ⁓ you ⁓ know, and not to get stuck back in those things. And that's where homeopathy, feel like it's really the deepest way to address those things, ⁓ you know, because it really is moving and shifting the person into a more ⁓ thriving, ⁓ you know, body that can handle those things ⁓ and process them appropriately. I mean, that's the goal, you know.
Elizabeth Mae (37:16.920)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Mae (37:41.644)
Yeah, yeah, even in working with no-so's, think that's really the goal, without thinking too much about it, of homeopathy is to create a more resilient body so that like no longer is this infection like cyclically holding the body back, but the body now has strength to like rise up from that anytime it's exposed to that infection instead of acting like it doesn't know what it is, it's not gonna address it, and the infection kind of wins and takes over. It's really like supporting that, the terrain of the body to be stronger, more skilled, agile, able to bounce back, so. ⁓
Abby (37:45.863)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Mae (38:11.298)
I do love Natmar, ⁓ maybe a Natmar, I don't know. The other one that I feel like ⁓ I ⁓ identify with a lot and I just love ⁓ is sepia. And I'm going to read a little bit from Katherine's book because I just love how she says this. ⁓ And it kind of gives you an understanding of like, where does this stuff come from? Like we talked about, you mentioned it being like natural materials for minerals or plants or animals. Well, sepia is from a cuttlefish. ⁓
A cuttlefish, says, is a mollusk, a soft gelatinous body encased in a calcareous shell. ⁓ But of all the mollusks, it is the most highly developed for action, since half the body with the tentacles is permanently outside the shell. So part of the sepia portrait is a passive withdrawn, unmoving, enclosed cut off from the world by a protective hardness. And this is more like the feminine female presentation. And this is the part which under stress retires into indifference.
And then the other part is only free and active, but moves through the water and shoots out its tentacles with ⁓ swift accuracy to catch its prey. And she goes on to talk about how the cuttlefish like ejects its ink to like when it's threatened, it will shoot out its ink. And I think about as moms, we're doing good till we are threatened a couple too many times and then we're going to shoot out our ink to deal with the thing. And it really makes me laugh because while remedies have, they tend to have like male, female portraits, some of them more than other ones.
Abby (39:24.638)
you
Elizabeth Mae (39:36.396)
this one tends to lean more female. When I first learned about it, was like, that's fascinating because I can see in the picture of how that works, like half in a shell, half out doing the thing, and then also ready to like deal with things when they happen. But you can expand for sure more on ⁓ sepia forest in more practical terms, but.
Abby (39:54.941)
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's really good. mean, and really, you know, a great way to explain it is it's a super common one use postpartum, you know, because we are ⁓ exhausted, you know, the body is healing. We're barely getting enough sleep through the night, you know, so it's just that really burnt out mom. It is a loving mom. You know, they are wonderful, loving. ⁓
Elizabeth Mae (40:4.162)
Mm.
Abby (40:19.582)
⁓ but they can just be really burnt out. And that's where that indifference, you know, because, ⁓ and they feel it too, because they're just like, I, it doesn't even, you know, it's like they might not feel, ⁓ you know, attracted to their husband or, you know, like they, they know they love their husband and their kids, but like they just aren't feeling it right now. And so it just can feel like very checked out, very indifferent about things. ⁓ And so sepia can really, really help to, ⁓
lighten that load and just bring those emotions back in can be really helpful. ⁓ Also, you can see it in, know, sometimes, you know, ⁓ there are women that just love being home with their children and others really, ⁓ you know, want to like that occupation out of home. And so that that pull between, know, that, you know, taking care of your family and still loving that occupation can also be part of that picture too, in finding that balance between ⁓
⁓ Both of them. ⁓ yeah, I mean, sometimes, let me see what it says in this one. know, ⁓ sometimes this one, when you're in a consultation, like when they're talking about their symptoms, they will cry during those times. They might, you know, when they are, ⁓ when somebody is trying to console them or even work with them, they're, where Natmar is going to probably not, you know, they're probably going to hold that.
a bit more a sepia might cry, but often, once again, they're indifferent. So some things where you think they would cry, they might not cry about. There can be some anger, just more snappy, kind of like you were talking to when somebody, yep, like that cuttlefish ink kind of flying out there too. And then...
Elizabeth Mae (41:58.104)
Yeah, Catherine mentions the dissatisfied complainer component and she brings out Lucy from Peanuts as the example that she's clever, chronically dissatisfied, takes pride in her bad temper and ⁓ annoying or psychologically bullying others and even sometimes enjoys feeling martyred. Like she loves that, like, I'm exhausted. I'm the exhausted, so sad friend. ⁓ And I think that definitely paints a little picture of a sepia. There's like that.
worn out exhausted piece, but then there's also kind of like a you know, this fat aside complainer sees it maybe to them.
Abby (42:31.742)
⁓ Yep, yep, absolutely.
Elizabeth Mae (42:35.446)
And some of it rightly so, right? Like you talked about seasons, like ⁓ emotional remedies come in, like maybe in a season postpartum, you are this like emotionally withdrawn from really just too much. Everything's a lot you're recovering, taking care of. ⁓ And that's not always your disposition, ⁓ but it is ⁓ readily so in that season. And it can really help to kind of shift and refresh, think is maybe refreshment, I think is the one thing I think of when I think of sepia coming in and being helpful to me. ⁓
Abby (42:38.814)
you
Abby (43:3.070)
⁓ Yes, ⁓ and I would say it's when I don't see like stir up a ton of emotions because often ⁓ I do at least in our work I've seen it more in a season and I just feel like it really just feels like people feel a little bit lighter they feel a little bit more themselves ⁓ you know as far as that goes I don't see you know huge stirrups with it but ⁓ you know
Elizabeth Mae (43:9.122)
So, yeah.
Elizabeth Mae (43:19.384)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Mae (43:24.524)
Yeah, and that murder the first we talked about is like it part of its deal is that the person has suppressed. So if we talk about like healing reaction, part of a healing reaction there is for them to unsuppress emotions and experience them. But that's not the case with every remedy. That's just really part of that particular one's struggle and therefore freedom. But other ones are not ⁓ as emotionally processor pushers, maybe. ⁓
Abby (43:50.738)
Yep. ⁓
Elizabeth Mae (43:52.618)
So I know too between adults and kids and men and women portraits kind of look differently. So let's let's shift to kind of a kid remedy that we can talk through a portrait of their and it being used as like a chronic kind of emotional support.
Abby (44:5.806)
So, Pulsatilla is a good one. ⁓ know, it, ⁓ once again, child or adult can be used, but a lot of times this one, what we'll see, ⁓ you know, they are very mild, gentle, yielding children in general, but they can have this real ⁓ clinginess or attachment, ⁓ you know, issues. These are the kids that, you know, might cry all day when you drop them off at daycare, like really, really.
Elizabeth Mae (44:13.102)
Thank
Elizabeth Mae (44:31.843)
Mm.
Abby (44:32.370)
they struggle. and ⁓ to them, what they're seeing is, ⁓ you know, like this ⁓ abandonment, there's a big abandonment piece with ⁓ Pulsatilla, you know, so when, you know, when you leave the room and your child cries, like in their mind, they are thinking, they may never see you again. There's just desperation with that. ⁓ So Pulsatilla is definitely one of those that we see. It's super common in, you know, to use that too in breech babies to flip them. ⁓
Elizabeth Mae (44:42.466)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Mae (45:0.814)
Mm.
Abby (45:1.874)
interesting kind of tidbit about Pulsatilla as well. ⁓ It's a flower remedy, so it's the wind flower. And so it bends but doesn't break, but we can see a lot of changeability with it. So it can kind of, ⁓ you know, switch around as far as that goes. There's a lot of crying with Pulsatilla. We have lots of tears with it, but they also go from
Elizabeth Mae (45:26.413)
you
Abby (45:28.090)
a crying state to a laughing state. can just, you know, once again, that changeability kind of in and out of there ⁓ as well. So.
Elizabeth Mae (45:36.930)
Yeah, so like practically like maybe a little kid who's crying and upset at school exchange and is wanting to be clingy to mom ⁓ can get some freedom from some of that potentially if Pulsatilla is a match. ⁓ it does, I think it tends to be, ⁓ it does attend to be a female remedy more so than ⁓ a male remedy.
Abby (45:57.183)
It is, but it definitely can be a man remedy as well. Usually it would be more of a sensitive, like usually once again that wild dental yielding can be a little bit more sensitive type male.
Elizabeth Mae (46:7.200)
Mm-hmm ⁓
Elizabeth Mae (46:15.650)
Maybe that's the American in me because ⁓ being ruled by your emotions maybe is kind of a way to encapsulate it, but that can be like just a sensitivity to emotions and not necessarily. Yeah. What about one last one when it comes to kiddos, Kim and Mila ⁓ and how we see that showing up in a child portrait.
Abby (46:25.660)
Yeah, yeah, emotional instability. Yeah. ⁓
Abby (46:37.094)
Yep, so chamomile is super common with teething. we see, you know, when kids are teething, they are not happy. ⁓ I think the word that I would use to describe chamomile is you just cannot satisfy them. They are dissatisfied. ⁓ they might be, you know, they do want to be held ⁓ a lot. They... ⁓
Sometimes they're the kid where, know, they're begging for something, you give it to them and then they whip it across the room. ⁓ You know, something along those lines. ⁓ But really just dissatisfied. A lot of times there's pain. So once again, teething, that pain. ⁓ They're very sensitive to pain. And so chamomile can be, ⁓ it can be a game changer. You know, I mean, we will have teething babies take chamomile and then they go to sleep and everyone gets a good night's sleep. ⁓ But in those kind of rages, those temper.
temper tantrums, know, chamomile, if it fits the picture can be really, really helpful. ⁓ You know, and if that is a chronic situation that's going on with your child, same thing. If those are, you know, it's not just an occasional, but they're really in this stage, you know, doing that, you know, working with a practitioner and seeing if that's one that matches can be really, really helpful ⁓ because it's intense. chamomile picture can be pretty intense.
Elizabeth Mae (47:56.942)
Hold on, I have a visitor. Hey, I'm almost in like three more minutes. Do you need me right now though? I'll help you.
⁓ It really hurts. Can you go get the aches and pains out of my ⁓ pouch and give yourself three drops? ⁓ And then take Molly with you please. ⁓ And now we'll wait for the dog to be caught in the child. Molly come on. ⁓ Molly want to go tell her treat? ⁓ She's hiding it. Maybe she just has to go. Just walk out and tell her you're going give her a treat. Say it louder. You have to say treat louder. Come on, let's go get a treat. ⁓
Let's go get treats. Let's ⁓ go. Let's go. ⁓ Okay, now I'll hopefully cut this out. ⁓ Let's wrap up really quick. Let's see. Okay, so chamomile is in our wimpy wheel. So that may be something that people have handy that has that component inside and can be helpful. And like you said, the first like the pain kind of portion, ⁓ yes, emotional pain, but also it's in that wimpy wheel because of pain, physical pain, teething, you know.
things like that. So that could be a way for someone to use that easily maybe with something that they already have. ⁓ But this makes me think of you were talking about like, ⁓ I came to like throwing something across the room and how can parents recognize when a child's like emotional state is asking for homeopathic support or could benefit there ⁓ rather than like discipline and behavioral correction? is the does homeopathy have a place even in that this or that? ⁓ How do we address this with our kiddo thought process?
Abby (49:31.614)
⁓ Yeah, ⁓ I would say yes. I ⁓ think it can help both because it really, you know, that's where it's like going back, like what is causing that behavior? And that's where I think homeopathy can be really supportive ⁓ with that and make discipline even a little bit easier.
Obviously that's necessary part of raising your kids up. when we see, and especially when we're looking at these more chronic situations, if this is going on chronically, to me that's a good sign that maybe they need a little bit of support there. Like, why is the body not moving through if they've been trained to behave well and their parents are appropriately disciplining and teaching them.
those behaviors like when that continues ⁓ or there's things that are big triggers in their lives that really kind of spin them out, ⁓ control on a regular basis too. Those would be things to look into, you know, doing homeopathy as well. So it really is such a good support.
Elizabeth Mae (50:29.774)
and
Elizabeth Mae (50:37.432)
Hmm. It's really interesting to see like all planes affected to me. Like to be able to use something in traditional we think like, okay, this SSRI is going to help my mood. Okay, well, it does some other things maybe negatively too, but to bring in a remedy that brings some emotional freedom, but then also affects the physical plane, the mental plane. It's really, really cool to see clients progress and get freedom from stuff, maybe stuck places or physically stuck places. And that really is
just the gift of homeopathy. It really frees up the body to do its own work and to function better and more freely. So if somebody's listening and thinking, I want to try this for myself or my family, or I really want to dive deeper into it with a practitioner, what's the best way for them to begin?
Abby (51:23.826)
They, ⁓ you know, if it's an acute situation, I mean, they can disorder things and try things acutely. I think they should feel comfortable with that. We have a lot of resources online that they can look at for dosing, you know, and we have like short little calls that even if they want a little bit of guidance ⁓ as far as that goes. And then, I mean, I highly recommend if anything is more chronic or a bigger issue or they're not seeing movement there, then yeah, definitely like book a call ⁓ so we can dive a little bit deeper there.
Elizabeth Mae (51:51.340)
Yeah, so Abby on our team does homeopathic assessments and consults. Those are, that's that. And so you can dive deeper into emotional picture. I think of, know, adult woman with lots of family history of emotional stress came in in a stressful situation, just needed more support. She was doing therapy and other things, but just really needed some support. That would be a great example. ⁓ A short call you could do if you're like, I don't know how to use this stuff. I want just a little more help. ⁓ But then also on our website, heyheyhomeopathics.com, you can of course order remedies.
that there's lots of educational material there, things that you can download and read through and understand better. And you can go to tinyurl.com slash hey hey sick day. ⁓ There are sick day calls there which can be strategy or sick day. So you could even book one of those if you're like, really want to learn more ⁓ about using this. That would be a great use for a sick day call with Abby to really get more of an understanding even just that using the general system of homeopathy and day to days or scheduling more of a homeopathic assessment to find. ⁓
something to match more of a chronic emotional picture, get some support. ⁓ thanks for talking, Abby. Thanks for kind of exposing us to more of this magical side of homeopathy. I think the way that it addresses emotions and frees up our clients is really beautiful and something we get to see. And ⁓ my hope for it is that we are able to move homeopathy in more of a normal, everyday, useful tool to families kind of space. And it's something that we think of reaching for when we have.
emotional but also physical issues so we're not suppressing but we're building that resiliency. So thanks for being with us. All right.
Abby (53:26.171)
Yes, thanks for having me. ⁓
